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hykue
Jan. 20th, 2009 09:27 am per?

Everyone at work uses the phrase "as per" and it kind of drives me crazy because I've always thought it's supposed to be just "per". A little bit of googling has brought be no help whatsoever, since most of the sites I saw weren't arguing the grammatical correctness of the phrase, but rather how stuffy or archaic it sounds. Is "as per" acceptable?

(in a slightly related issue, I've looked at the terms "per" and "as per" so much in the last 10 minutes that they've lost all meaning for me) :)

thanks!

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From:luciab
Date:January 20th, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
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I'm with you, though I have no authority to back it up. As far as I know, per means "according to" so "as per" would be "as according to."
From:jwpandabear
Date:January 21st, 2009 07:40 am (UTC)
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With your definition, the addition of "as" seems superfluous. So if you wanted to write with clarity, I would get rid of the "as".
From:internought
Date:January 20th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
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I think both "per" and "as per" are fine. I have no problem with "Sahara Desert" either.
From:kinkyturtle
Date:January 21st, 2009 09:13 am (UTC)
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That's a strange way to spell "Sara Lee Dessert"!
From:ohikennedy
Date:January 21st, 2009 08:10 pm (UTC)
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I don't have a reference to back me up, but I've assumed that the (relatively recent) rise of as per was a careless redundancy of business jargon, like past history in medical documentation & PIN number in everyday speech.
From:teratocarcinoma
Date:January 22nd, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

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Per, prep.
I. For.

1. a. In distributive sense: For each----, for every----. Used after a statement of number or quantity to express a rate or proportion, as per day, per dozen, per head, etc. Also (chiefly U.S.): with omission of following noun (expressed in or understood from the context). Cf. A prep.1 3b, BY prep. 24c.

b. Phrases in this sense used attrib., as per-acre, per-head, per-person, per-share, etc. rare before 20th cent.

2. per instance: for instance. Obs. rare.

II. By.

3. a. According to; as stated, indicated, or directed by, as per advice, per instructions, per invoice, per ledger, etc. Usually preceded by as.

{dag}b. (Written or signed) by; by the hand of. Obs.

c. By means of. Chiefly in phrases relating to conveyance, as per bearer, per carrier, per express, per post, per rail, per steamer, etc. Also in humorous use, as per foot, per boot, etc. Now rare (chiefly arch.).

d. Law. As laid down or stated by (a judge). Also in general use: as stated by (the person named).

e. per this time: by this time. Obs.

f. [After PERCHANCE adv., PERHAPS adv., etc.; with per-hazard compare French par hasard] per-hazard: by chance, as it chances or chanced; per likelihood (humorous nonce-use): as is likely.

g. slang. (as) per usual: as usual. Also (occas.) in shortened form as per.

4. Heraldry. In phrases denoting partition of a shield in the direction of any of the principal ordinaries, as per chevron, per long, etc.